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What happened to Yaoi North?

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djizumi2		#21	[-]
Posts: 3 (05/28/09 1:25 AM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	PanelGuru wrote: Very insane logistics... It's called 6 people with Clipboards visiting the rooms regularly to get the head counts. That really only works on rooms that have specific start and end times for events. A video game room operates as a persistant flow, frequent in and out. If you just have someone occasionally counting heads you're not counting how many are in recently, have been in or out, or how many have been there the entire time. It's like trying to capture smoke in a bottle. Not to mention that Ren as a whole was more understaffed than the rest of the convention. Including breakers going off, then additional breakers going off, then when complaining about volenteers who are carelessly moving load from one tripped circut to another circut already under existing load, realizing that while the breaker tripped 20mins ago, not a single soul in the Ren ConOps had any idea that any breaker had tripped. You wern't in Ren much, if even at all for the entire duration of the convention, so don't quote me second hand reports that you are taking at face value. You also havn't said a word about Yaoi North's video room head count even though I specific asked. Care to remark on that?
PanelGuru		#22	[-]
Posts: 732 (05/28/09 1:52 AM) Moderator More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	djizumi2 wrote: PanelGuru wrote: Very insane logistics... It's called 6 people with Clipboards visiting the rooms regularly to get the head counts. That really only works on rooms that have specific start and end times for events. A video game room operates as a persistant flow, frequent in and out. If you just have someone occasionally counting heads you're not counting how many are in recently, have been in or out, or how many have been there the entire time. It's like trying to capture smoke in a bottle. Not to mention that Ren as a whole was more understaffed than the rest of the convention. Including breakers going off, then additional breakers going off, then when complaining about volenteers who are carelessly moving load from one tripped circut to another circut already under existing load, realizing that while the breaker tripped 20mins ago, not a single soul in the Ren ConOps had any idea that any breaker had tripped. You wern't in Ren much, if even at all for the entire duration of the convention, so don't quote me second hand reports that you are taking at face value. You also havn't said a word about Yaoi North's video room head count even though I specific asked. Care to remark on that? Didn't notice.. Do notice the quick tap dance of accounts. Headcounts were done by dedicated staffers who tour the rooms. Were you in ConOps to confirm they didn't know ? aside from the fact that it's a hotel problem, not ConOps thing ? Fingers The Panel Guru <toot> <toot>
djizumi2		#23	[-]
Posts: 5 (05/28/09 2:00 AM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	PanelGuru wrote: Headcounts were done by dedicated staffers who tour the rooms. Were you in ConOps to confirm they didn't know ? aside from the fact that it's a hotel problem, not ConOps thing ? I assumed they did know untill I went to complain about someone foolishly tripping the second breaker, they didn't know. I was looking at all of them. But no, I don't think a breaker tripping is just the hotel's problem. I think that power failing in the hotel due to convention events overtaxing the circuts convention's problem and thusly ConOps problem as that's where all the convention staff were.
PanelGuru		#24	[-]
Posts: 733 (05/28/09 2:05 AM) Moderator More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	djizumi2 wrote: PanelGuru wrote: Headcounts were done by dedicated staffers who tour the rooms. Were you in ConOps to confirm they didn't know ? aside from the fact that it's a hotel problem, not ConOps thing ? I assumed they did know untill I went to complain about someone foolishly tripping the second breaker, they didn't know. I was looking at all of them. But no, I don't think a breaker tripping is just the hotel's problem. I think that power failing in the hotel due to convention events overtaxing the circuts convention's problem and thusly ConOps problem as that's where all the convention staff were. Convention Staff can't go play in the power system of the hotel. All they can do is report it to the hotel for repairs. Fingers The Panel Guru <toot> <toot>
djizumi2		#25	[-]
Posts: 6 (05/28/09 2:08 AM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	PanelGuru wrote: Convention Staff can't go play in the power system of the hotel. All they can do is report it to the hotel for repairs. You're missing my point. None of them even knew about it for the first 20mins. Which meant that no one went to get the breakers reset. Which meant that there were no staff in or regularly watching Ambrosia 3/4 to deal with the situation or report it to con-ops to have action taken.
Tamer Brad		#26	[-]
Posts: 208 (05/28/09 3:09 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm definitely speaking for myself here, but I definitely wouldn't mourn the loss of Yaoi North. While yaoi definitely has its place at AN, it certainly doesn't require its own mini-convention and doesn't need to run for the entirety of AN. I was running an event at the Ren and we passed maximum occupancy of our room, and I'm sure some others did as well, so to take up space with an event that turns a sexual orientation into a novelty for three days is a bit embarrassing. Perhaps working yaoi into the hentai/other adult panels would be worthwhile. AN seems to have a large issue in general of taking up a lot of space with "fluff" panels, events and showings that get very little attendance or content while larger events are starving for the attention and the space. I think a serious reworking of priorities is needed towards actually providing interesting content that people want to participate in, rather than simply appealing to the fanboy/fangirl hivemind. Either that, or let me have a room for three days for Beyblade North. Last Edited By: Tamer Brad 05/28/09 3:13 PM. Edited 1 times.
DJIzumi0		#27	[-]
Posts: 1 (05/28/09 3:35 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tamer Brad wrote: AN seems to have a large issue in general of taking up a lot of space with "fluff" panels, events and showings that get very little attendance or content while larger events are starving for the attention and the space. I think a serious reworking of priorities is needed towards actually providing interesting content that people want to participate in, rather than simply appealing to the fanboy/fangirl hivemind. In my experiances with anime convention running, there are ultimately two types of video rooms. There are the video rooms that are showing the 'big' stuff, the newest Bleach movie, Naruto movie, Evangelion movie or the other few series that are just 'HOMG POPULAR' this year; these rooms are packed from floor to door with people. Then there is everything else; these video rooms have ten people in the room if you're lucky. People arn't going to an anime convention to sit in the dark and watch cartoons because that's what they do at home. The anime showings are like the bread of the anime convention sandwich, it's entirely necessary but you're far more interested about the meat and vegitables rather than the bread, at the same time, if the bread was gone, you'd be confused and panic. But the 'everything else' showings are probably the most expendable content of a convention as well. It's easy enough to cut out a couple of hours of Kawaii Shoujo Twilight or whatever name that half the generic animes have with no impact on the attendees experiance. You're right, keeping these animes showing ammount to 'fluff'. Some of it's necessary but when there's overcrowding at an anime convention, you need to make room somewhere an video is the place to cut first. I think that due to Yaoi North's near lack of a video scheduel of anything that wasn't filler and the fact that the room operated with an occupancy mostly in the single digits shows that it's far more expendable. Honestly, they could have cut the marathons back to only two episodes of whatever and their total video scheduel would have only been about 4hrs long. This would have fit nicely into a dual-purpose panel/video room.
Iczer eh		#28	[-]
Posts: 1802 (05/29/09 12:42 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	This is very little genuine concern and a lot more trolls with an agenda. It's locked for now. For anyone who actually does want to see their niche interest as a mini-con - do what Yaoi North did. Put together a proposal for panels/videos/contests. assemble a staff and convince us why you'd be a good addition to the schedule. We're always open to adding new things, but you have to be willing to put the work into it instead of just complaining.